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DaveB
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Topic: New Paypal Privacy PolicyPosted: 17 April 2010 at 7:14pm |
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Hi All,
Like most people, I have a privacy policy on my site that states I will not give away my customer details to anyone. However, PayPal has just decided to give our customer details to a marketing company from next month - they have explained that we have the choice of (basically) "getting lost" otherwise. Am I the only one to be furious about that or are others (like me) now looking for a payment gateway provider with a responsible privacy policy (any suggestions)? |
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raineshoe
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Posted: 17 April 2010 at 7:15pm |
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I've not seen anything about this yet, but wouldn't be too happy.
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Posted: 17 April 2010 at 7:33pm |
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Hi Raineshoe,
They sent me a notification a few days ago pointing to their new Privacy Policy from 1st June that they "may disclose certain PayPal customer information" to.... "Carrenza Limited To store user data for marketing campaigns." and mention Name, e-mail, address, business name, domain name, account status, type and nature of PayPal services offered or used and relevant transaction information. It is not clear whether that is just my information or my customers and I'm waiting for a reply to a complaint (don't hold your breath). |
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wigman
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Posted: 17 April 2010 at 11:01pm |
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Hi DaveB,
We recieved the notice about the new Paypal User Agreement, when looking at the agreement and the Privacy Policy I too noticed the part about Carrenza Limited. If you don't agree to the new Paypal agreement you have to cancel your account, what an horrible company they are (Paypal) trouble is a lot of customers use them so you don't know what to do for the best. Here is the notice: Credit Reference and Fraud Agencies RSA Security Inc. and RSA Security Ireland Limited To verify identity All account information Marketing and public relations Yesmail Inc. (USA) and Responsys (USA) To fulfil e-mail marketing programs of PayPal services and promotions. Name, e-mail, address, business name, domain name, account status, account preferences, type and nature of PayPal services offered or used and relevant transaction and account information. Carrenza Limited To store user data for marketing campaigns. Name, e-mail, address, business name, domain name, account status, account preferences, type and nature of PayPal services offered or used and relevant transaction information. Operational services Transcom Worldwide (UK) Limited (UK), Newman & Company Limited (UK), To collect debt Name, address, date of birth, telephone number, account number, e-mail, account type, account status, last four digits of financial instruments account, account balance, details of account transactions and liabilities, name of funding source provider. |
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raineshoe
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Posted: 18 April 2010 at 8:11am |
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I'll be looking for the note about it. Tend not to read everything from Paypal as there is so much drivel that comes through.
However, we are signed up to the telephone preference service and fax preference service so if I start getting unsolicited marketing/advertising calls through this I shall be on it like a ton of bricks. Also, if they start e-mailing you can refer it to the Information Commissioners Office. They don't have legal powers as such, but can tackle companies about spam e-mails etc. You may be able to complain to the Information Commissioners Office about this with Paypal. I don't like Paypal much either as I think they favour the purchaser too much. Not that I've ever had a problem, but have heard of alleged incidents whereby buyer has claimed they've not received goods and even when the seller has proof they were posted and signed for etc Paypal still side with the buyer and refund regardless. Like Mike said though an awful lot of customers like them. Unfortunately Paypal was quick to jump on the bandwaggon of relatively cheap international money transfer making it quick and easy. Others were too slow to follow and so they swept up the whole market. For a long time they were the only option. This is partly why I want to try Google checkout as an option, but looking at my cart which currently takes Nochex and Paypal the clear leader is Paypal although from what I can gather Nochex would love to pinch all their customers. Edited by raineshoe - 18 April 2010 at 8:19am |
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Posted: 18 April 2010 at 8:23am |
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Just interested do you guys use Paypal Pro or Paypal Standard as I just use the Standard.
I am looking at using Sagepay in the future and may drop Paypal in favour of this. Its an ongoing consideration for me at the moment. Unfortunately, I take ages to make up my mind about things like this so it rolls into months before I actually do anything. When I asked on the forum a lot of people liked Paypal Pro which can do all of what Sagepay does and for similar money, but like you guys say don't like their tactics. |
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DaveB
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Posted: 18 April 2010 at 8:07pm |
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Hi Raineshoe,
We just use PayPal standard. However, once the news gets around I can see some (perhaps many) customers avoiding those sites that use Paypal (and I wouldn't blame them - I'll probably be starting a campaign with any site I wanted to use that used PayPal). |
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Posted: 18 April 2010 at 11:07pm |
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Hi Folks,
I've just sent the following email to business-support@paypal.co.uk Could I suggest that any other PayPal users with similar concerns should also convey their feelings to PayPal
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Posted: 19 April 2010 at 8:20am |
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Excellent Nick.
Probably fall on deaf ears where Paypal are concerend but definitely worth a shot. Wonder who the CEO is as that is the best place to direct complaints as he is the one that can take action. |
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Posted: 19 April 2010 at 8:18pm |
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I've just received an answer from PayPal regarding my "why are you busting my customer privacy policy" question (that I posted on their website) saying that policy changes are "prompted by user feedback and our ongoing work to make the product better suit user requirements" and by "Other changes are made in response to changes in the legal and regulatory environment".
I told them I could think of no way that these would be reasons for breaching customer confidentiality (both of their customers AND mine) and thanking them for their helpful re-statement of my option to take it or leave it. So, no-one's listening. However I shall follow Nick's advice and post something similar to the business email contact he identified. Time to start spreading the word AND looking for a more responsible gateway I think. |
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