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    Posted: 22 July 2013 at 1:35pm
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Due to the number of parcels Royal Mail are "losing" at the moment, I am thinking of advising customers that if they do not opt for a Tracked Postage Option, they do so at their own risk and if the parcel does not arrive, it's not my fault!!   Does anyone know if this is legal?

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I wouldn't have thought so. Read the distance selling regulations. Also I did ask trading standards and if you send tracked and the customer says they've not received it and there is a card through for attempted delivery, but the client has not collected you still have to refund or replace the items regardless as its considered not received. Win, win for the customer I'm afraid.

Incidentally, I reckon we are averaging a loss of 6+ parcels a week with Royal Mail and I'm seriously considering looking elsewhere as at this rate they are going to bankrupt me. I've complained and nothing has changed.
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Thanks for your reply.   I thought that may be the case.   I am now thinking of only offering tracked/signed for options as I cannot afford the losses.   Royal Mail have a standard reply when I complain about losses and they are totally inflexible.
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I know re the standard reply and they blame my customers. Some are customers I've had for 7+ years so why should they suddenly start nicking parcels? Having said that someone who sells same stuff as I do says she sends recorded/signed for and they still manage to lose a quantity of those. Personally I think its light fingered posties and one of my customers did say that someone at their local sorting office was done for stealing parcels and selling the contents on Ebay. I also worked with someone years ago whose husband worked for RM and she admitted he took post home and threw it away. What hope is there...

Don't forget if the customer refuses to collect from the sorting office if out when delivered you still have to cough up as Trading Standards say its not delivered even if a card has been put through to say its at the sorting office. I've had that happen too.

Incidentally, they couldn't even deliver my guaranteed next day parcels from Monday in time either. Had some very angry people on the phone yesterday. So depressing...

Lastly, do you get any parcels returned. I've never had any that have gone awol in the UK returned. I've had all signed for from abroad returned that are not collected or otherwise, but not one parcel in the UK even though they all have return addresses. Okay, there may be one or two iffy people out there, but as some are regular customers for years I can't see it myself.

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Is anyone else having problems with Royal Mail International Signed For Service at the moment, I ask as I have just received a second report within a week of a package sent by this service from the beginning of July that has not yet been delivered. Both packages say they have reached the mailing centre here in the UK but have no further update.
When I asked re the first package I was informed it had in fact gone by surface mail (paying for airmail), I am starting to suspect that they are going by surface to save royal mail money? as a 3rd package took over a month to be delivered. Just wondering if anyone else has had more problems than usual on this service recently
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Yes!   I sent an International Signed For order to a regular customer in Cyprus and it took a month.   Royal Mail blamed the courier in Cyprus and the courier in Cyprus blamed the Royal Mail.   My customer has taken her business elsewhere.

I find this so frustrating as I have a lot of overseas customers, but the shipping options are monopolised by Royal Mail and the customers think I'm trying to pull a fast one when their order does not arrive.   I am now sending all overseas customers a copy of my Proof of Posting.

Not sure how to resolve the problem.
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I've just had a slow "international signed for". Customer irate as said she had parcels from other shops which only took 1 week. This took weeks to get there. I really don't know what to do as we have low value products so customers won't pay £8.99 for delivery for example from couriers when they only buy one item which is value say £2.50. Also found couriers won't deliver everywhere or all the items we sell either. Had one refuse to deliver as the house was down a track in a forest. The woman clearly left her house in her car so the track wasn't so bad you couldn't drive down it. I had to phone the lady and ask for a place that her parcel could be left in the village and she could collect from there. So back to RM as for all their faults they deliver to all points of the UK.

Due to the losses we are sustaining, I've had another two phone this morning to say no parcel, I'm sure I'm losing money hand over fist. I'm also losing customers as they go shop elsewhere after poor, slow delivery. At this rate RM won't have anyone to deliver to anyway as we'll all be out of business, although I've always said I'm sure RM are out to destroy small business.

Back to international signed for, do you put the blue airmail stickers on? I do that to make sure its clear its airmail, although wouldn't surprise me if they are sending surface mail and saving some pennies.

I've given up complaining as I get nowhere. I just get a pen pusher who says "oh we will make sure it doesn't happen again", and where are we the next day, the day after that and the day after that..... in exactly the same position. Of course, its NEVER Rotten Mail's fault ever.

Don't know either about you guys, but I find the customer always blames us when the parcel doesn't turn up, its never RM. I even had one tell me that her postal service was perfect and I just hadn't sent the goods. In the end with one customer that was accusing me of all sorts (my business is built on being totally honest with my customers)I just told her that I'd had enough of justifying myself to her and would she just go shop elsewhere.

So sick of it all not sure its worth it at times, but need the money.

Don't know what you can do about the international signed for though.


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Thank you both for your replies, I did not think it would be just us
I suspect Royal Mail are sending International Signed for by surface we never used to have all these reports of very late delivery or packages not being received at all.

Yes I do use the Blue sticker for Air Mail and I have now also started to print in large capitals AIR MAIL on my overseas packages so there can be no mistake as to how they should be going. Our customers would also not want to pay more for the postage, we would just loose customers. Slow delivery, lost packages or problems with delivery reflect on the seller not Royal Mail, you are correct Raineshoe our customers see it as our fault not that of Royal Mail.

We had a package returned yesterday from Australia marked as undelivered although sent to a regular customer to the address used in the past with no reason on it as to why it had not been delivered, again an unhappy customer to deal with for us.

Royal Mail seem to have no concern as to the problems their poor service creates for small businesses, I know we can claim but the claim process takes far too much time and effort and as we produce our products we are unable to claim the selling cost, we can only claim from them the cost of make up.
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I've just had to give another customer a refund as her order has not arrived.   I'm pretty sure customers think I'm not sending their order, so I now email every customer a copy of my Proof of Posting when I despatch their order.    

One positive is that I haven't had any problems with the courier, My Hermes, I now use, but not all customers choose the courier option. but It's £4.20. up to 0.99 kgs

I am now keeping monthly records of all orders not received or delivered late which I am going to send to the CEO of Royal Mail, Moya Greene and Edward Davey, the MP responsible for the Royal Mail and the Post Office.   Just feel I should be doing something!
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For International Signed For tracking as well as RM use: http://www.track-trace.com/post
This service let you enter the RM code and uses ParcelForce's website first - then you can use the relevant postal service in the country of destination. I am finding deliveries to Australia a problem at present as International Signed For is not tracked there.
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